#WeMissTurkey - #Bosnia and its Otoman governors

We miss Turkey as readers and contributors of our project. In the larger picture, when we write about the history of the world, we have to pay attention to the Ottoman Empire. Its history ended only 96 years ago and its influence is underestimated.

Take Bosnia; many people from the eyalet of Bosnia have been really influential and many people were beylerbey of the Bosnia eyalet. Adding all these people can be done from a list on the Bosnian Wikipedia. The list is in Bosnian and paša is pasha in translation and that makes it a lot of work.. In Catalan, the same word is paixà and Catalan is a language that covers the history of Africa rather well. Many people known in Bosnian are known in Catalan and not in English.

The dignitaries of the Ottoman Empire often stayed for a short period before they moved on to another place. Getting the curriculum vitae for the top will help understand history. In true Wiki fashion we have a start and it will improve when we collaborate.
Thanks,
      GerardM

#WeMissTurkey - Beylerbeys of the Bosnian Elayet .. in Bosnian

The Ottoman Empire was huge. It existed for 623 years and its armies threatened Vienna at one time. When you want to understand the existence of countries and the politics of the modern time, it helps to have a sense of the past.

The Wikimedia coverage of the Ottoman Empire is patchy. We do not have all information readily available about its geography and administrations over time.

For me, adding information is easiest when the source is the English Wikipedia but other Wikipedias are often more complete. The Ottoman Empire was for a long time divided in Eyalets and they were governed by Beylerbeys. The list of Beylerbeys for the Bosnian Elayet is linked to many articles on the Bosnian Wikipedia. Articles about people that did not include even the most basic information in Wikidata. Adding missing information was easy but labels differ from English; they show in red in Reasonator.

When all red links are linked to Wikidata, it would be easy and obvious what English labels to add. It requires just one thing; acknowledgement that list in different language Wikipedias provide the same information.
Thanks,
       GerardM

#Wikidata - Juri Pelivan; prime minister of #Bosnia Herzegovina

Mr Pelivan was the first prime minister of his country. He was a Croat and a Bosnian. There are Wikipedia articles only in Bosnian and in Croat for him. This is a likely moment for activity about Mr Pelivan as he died in Split on the 18th of July.

There was no item for the function of "Prime Minister of Bosnia Herzegovina". His successor is not known to Wikidata. Bosnia and with it so many other countries are not well represented in both Wikipedia and Wikidata.
Thanks,
     GerardM

What #source for #Wikidata

When statements are sourced on #Wikidata, it should be obvious; there is no single language that is to be preferred as a source. Philosophically the language best suited to provide a source is a source that is closest to the events or the persons involved.

When the subjects are historic like the "Sanjak of Bosnia", many of the facts involved are not clear; the family name of the first sanjak-bey may be either Hranić or Pavlović. It matters in that the understanding of history may depend on it.

One reason why there are so few sources in Wikidata is because it is so cumbersome. The sources and their author have to have a Wikidata item in their own right.. It would help if just an ISBN or ISNN number would suffice..

Reproducing a family tree for Mr Isa-Beg Isaković is possible but it does not make sense to do so without information I trust. With a subject related to Bosnia and the Ottoman empire, I prefer to leave this to people who are knowledgeable.

What I can do is build the succession of all the sanjak-beys that ruled the Sanjak of Bosnia. My source would be the English Wikipedia article and it does refer to several red links. Including these will help link potential articles into this framework and in a way it can make Wikidata a source for Wikipedians.
Thanks,
      Gerard